Eva 02
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Post by Eva 02 on Aug 29, 2004 17:33:05 GMT -5
Okay, I have a question about the "girl-beats-montser-to-death-with-a-steel-pipe-scene". So far, I have the idea of the camera panning up at her from a sort of 3 o'clock angle, showing her hitting the 'monster' off-camera and have blood 'squirt' her. I, of course, have seen this done many, many times--all lame-- and am wondering what to use that looks the least lame. Such as a ketchup bottle? A high-power mister? Any suggestions/stuff that worked for you?
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Post by SeanHope on Aug 29, 2004 19:49:03 GMT -5
3 O'Clock camera angle - is that just a horizontal sweep or a 90 degree turn of the camera. The only suggestion I could make is unless you have a rather large budget for you film, creative camera angles are always the best way to go. For example: close up on the pipe, keeping the top of the pipe at the top of the frame - follow it down the the first strike. If your creature is going from a standing to a laying position from the first attack, pan back while changing the camera angle to follow the top of the monster's head as well. if your heroine is doing multiple strike, don't focus on them or her until the monster hits the ground. slowly change the angle from a 90 degree to the standard 45 and pan back until both the monster and the heroine are both in the shot. If you have 2 camera running, finish with camera one switch on camera 2 with the close up while camera one keeps the wide shot at the 45. where ever your heroine makes a strike, cut in the blow to the monster, keep this up as long as your heroine beats the monster or until you are completly satified that the creature is dead. this is also a great time to introduce the heroine's next encounter.
Ketchup always comes off unrealistic. It just doesn't splatter like blood no matter how hard you try. Watering it down usually looks like watered down ketchup. there are many many suggestions for blood - corn syrup and red dye seem to be the most popular.
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Post by Mommy's Little Monster on Aug 29, 2004 23:14:42 GMT -5
Ketchup always comes off unrealistic. It just doesn't splatter like blood no matter how hard you try. Watering it down usually looks like watered down ketchup. there are many many suggestions for blood - corn syrup and red dye seem to be the most popular. I think s/he may have just been asking about blood placed into a ketchup bottle, not using ketchup itself as blood. Most people who do scenes like this try to replace the lack of a monster in the shot with buckets-o-gore which is always a huge mistake. Just beacuse it's a creature feature, it doesn't mean the monster has to be in the shot all the time or that you need to come up with something else so that the audience doesn't get bored and leave, if you do, i have one hyphinated word for you; RE-WRITE. My preachy ideals aside, don't go with a stream of blood, nobody bleeds like that unless their artery has been cut open, i don't care who you are. Blood splatters. The high powered mister wouldn't work well though, the spray would be too uniform. Instead you would have to be just off camera and splatter them yourself. Have a bowl of slightly watered down blood and a big paint brush (2" at least). Start off nice and slow, just a bit of blood to begin with, the wound wouldn't spray out a huge amount of blood with the first hit. Spray more and more progressively, just make sure you decide on how much is enough, the wound itself will reach a certain point when only so much blood can come out with each hit, plus if in the end she is covered in too much blood it can look a little to ridiculous. Hope that helped, that's about as realistic as it can get, in my opinion anyway. |
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Eva 02
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Post by Eva 02 on Aug 29, 2004 23:59:57 GMT -5
oh wow, so much addressed in only two posts...  Okay... lessee... Angle... What I had in mind, specifically, is for it to be a sort of shoulder view of the monster at the actress' view (the monster is not 'standing' per sey, hunched? =S) and then as she raises to hit it, it pans to what would be her 3 o'clock looking up at her. It's not the most original shot, but we're using a *cough*hand-held*cough*  And, there is no budget basically all the props were found in old garages/basements, junkyards, trash. The blood and blood supplies is what is costing us the most. This is going to be that kind of movie. Lots and lots of blood. But it's not really a 'monster' movie, either. It's a survival movie... There are multiple problems, subliminal messages, corrupted meesages, twisted imagery... And what is a movie without boobies/monster-actress rape scene? <cheesy grin> And yes, 'he' is talking about blood in a ketchup bottle.... I've seen it done before nicely... But it was a thoat-cutting scene. =/ But yes, now I see... I guess what I'll do is show her getting blood on her from her slain boyfriend, then add more blood after the kill scene cuts away. You know, it's really great to have fellow horror fans to comment on certain scenes; My co-director/writer hadn't even seen a low budget-horror masterpiece untill he met me--He knows nothing about the genre, he just has good ideas. ;D |
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Post by SeanHope on Aug 30, 2004 2:11:18 GMT -5
scary to say I've never used the ketchup bottle for throwing blood - hmmm, I'll have to talk to my expert see if he has ever done something like that.
throwing blood is always fun, you could always have a person off camera throwing your blood mix by dipping just their fingers in and flicking it at your actors. But you get the idea to have the blood splattering all around and then you can do your close-up on the heroine with as much or as little as you want.
though the human body only has about 5 liters - victims in horror movies somehow seem to have gallons and gallons. the truth about it is less blood is usually more scary than lots and lots. It also seems to effect the audience more - maybe because we are actually paying attention to the plot then just shaking our heads as the sea of blood pours out of a body.
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Post by goriddle on Aug 30, 2004 13:40:27 GMT -5
Personally, I feel cheated when something horrific happens off camera or is implied. Especially if the movie is advertised as gory. As far as the ketchup bottle-use what works. I have used ketchup, shampoo, soda bottles, sometimes even squeezing the blood between my palms to make it squirt. Whatever was handy at the time, but like a lot of people I prefer syringes. If you don't like the way the blood is squirting out, you can make atachments out of tubing available at hardware stores and a hot glue gun. By the way, what does your monster look like?  |
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Eva 02
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Post by Eva 02 on Aug 30, 2004 21:26:01 GMT -5
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Post by SeanHope on Sept 3, 2004 0:58:54 GMT -5
well the idea is to follow close on the pipe - what your not focusing in on in the Heroine until you pull back and then you can do cut scenes of close up and the long shot, ending on the Heroine.
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Post by gordo on Sept 4, 2004 11:00:36 GMT -5
Small spatters of blood work the best. The paintbriush works perfect for this, or just flick your fingers. I dont like the way syringes look either, just long streams dont cut it, spatter it.
But the most important effect for this scene is the sound FX. If you get a real bone crushing thump, or thud, as opposed to cheesy one, it makes all the difference in the world.
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Eva 02
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Post by Eva 02 on Sept 4, 2004 12:18:39 GMT -5
Not really sure what we're going to use for the thud noise... And it's a regular girl moving throught this movie, so it's not going to be bone-crushing... I would think we could buy a slab of rib meat and have her hit at that and shoot it to where it looks like it's still the monster. We could use it in other scenes, because meat is scary.
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Post by goriddle on Sept 4, 2004 13:32:40 GMT -5
I always like when there is a little bit of a clink when a metal weapon makes impact. I would have to say my favorite sound effect is in last house on the left when the girl is getting stabbed and there is a weird synthesizer zap sound. As far as the syringe spraying a straight steam-you can make atatchments really easy for different effects.
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Eva 02
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Post by Eva 02 on Sept 4, 2004 23:25:46 GMT -5
Hmmm... Exactly. But what should I make it with?  And did I say I was going to use a syringe some time??? =S It's been mentioned in almost every post, y'all are starting to confuse me.-----> <the real use of this emoticon is cheesy-smile> |
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Post by AJ on Sept 6, 2004 7:07:32 GMT -5
You don't have to worry about the sound effects while shooting the scene. You will be adding them in post.
Reading your question makes it seem like you were trying to actually capture the correct 'thud' live during the take?
Using a piece of meat is a valid idea, as is fruit or vegatables. Basically you are looking to get the gruesome sound of a heightened reality.
Keep trying different things until you find something (or things) that make a noise that makes you wince.
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Eva 02
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Post by Eva 02 on Sept 8, 2004 18:57:32 GMT -5
<_<-->_> ahem.... This isn't one of those kinda films... errrr... Everything has to be shot in sequence with the right sound, there is no 'cutting room' I talked it over, yeah, we can fit in a 6.00 slab of rib meat to beat, and plus it can be a re-occuring thing. |
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